Heaven...

In the realm of spirits which we call heaven and which we see as being beyond the creation realm, karma still exists because we still believe that we are separate entities.. this karma must be manifested within the next life.. when you speak of the thoughtless state this means that there is no individual to think.. To Be thoughtless is to be devoid of the separation called ego.. To be within Divine Consciousness is still to be within the thinking state but with a small amount of ego left called identification.. when you finally relinquish this last bit of lower self, then You become the Nothingness called Pure Awareness and are finally Free of all karma and incarnations.. Therefore, to Be is not to Be............namaste, thomas